regarding health care if they have employees that work over 30 hours a week, this is not an ideological argument. hold on. hold on. this is an economic argument, on the margin, these people may not lose their businesses, but they will have to let people go. that's an economic reality that democrats tell me, republicans tell me, obama supporters tell me, romney supporters tell me. if you're running a small business on the margins. these tax increases, these regulatory increases, they do matter in the real world out there. maybe not at coca-cola or comcast or deloitte, but they certainly do on main street. you would agree to that, right, donny? >> based on a half million. there's a huge difference between 250,000 and 500,000. >> donny, and you i agree on that 100%. if i were still in congress, i would say, listen, i will negotiate on anything, but i am not going to raise taxes in this police climate on people making $250,000. you want to talk about $500,000? great.